In a message dated 97-12-02 11:00:13 EST, walt@solgrp.chi.il.us writes:
> In regards to the public statements of the Foreign Spokesman of TIBs, the
> STC does not negotiate borders based on foreign opinions. Any discussions
> that TIBs wishes to have should be made privately. We also note that the
> STC first published any claim to Tollus, and that being a small corner.
>
I personally sent 3 emails, 1 per week, for 3 weeks to Walt before the public
posting to the list. I received no responses. I don't know if this was a
server glitch or some other problem, but TIBs did attempt to negotiate in
private.
I would also like to point out that the post was in no way an attempt to
negotiate with STC (or anybody else) in public. I would suggest any
concerned parties reread the post in question. It was an attempt by TIBs to
contact any and ALL factions on Tollus. STC or non-STC. As mentioned in the
post, we had had extensive negotiations with STC and they were over. We were
taking the next step by attempting to contact possible factions on STC that
were not affiliated with the STC.
> In regards to this now public diplomacy, let me make a few notes on this
> statement. The facts presented by TIBs are mainly true. However, as in
> all such positioning, there are a few areas where our account of things
> differs from theirs.
>
> Firstly, we strongly dispute one point that TIBs made that "STC made 3
> points clear:... that they had no other castle on Tollus." We never said
> or implied anything of the form. The STC is a single faction working with
> other factions on Tollus, many of which are finding common ground given
> TIBs current claims and posturing.
>
> One other thing omitted by TIBs is that the first treaty they offered the
> STC after we made claim to four cities in southwest Tollus was for us to
> have only two cities. Subsequent negotiations have now got them to
> relinquish up to 40% of the continent for non-TIBs
>
Here Walt is referring to content of private emails, not the public post.
Yet he cites it as examples or proof of "the now public diplomacy". Again,
I suggest concerned parties reveiw my actual post. In it I never made
mention of these things. This is the first public airing of this dirty
laundry, and Walt is the one that hung it out. I will refrain from
responding to these points publicly in an attempt to keep private matters
private. I will only say that TIBs disagrees with several of these
assertions.
> The STC is still more than willing to treat with TIBs, though we will not
> do it publicly. Both the STC & TIBs castles are done and we do not wish
> the so-called "land grab". Nor do we want this to resort to military
> actions.
>
> The other non-TIBs land holders & factions known to me have empowered me
to
> negotiate for them. We propose a 50/50 split of the continent, half for
> TIBs and half for the rest of us. We would of course welcome other
> factions and alliances to our half.
>
> Lastly, I offer my apologies to the readers for the bringing of this local
> dirty laundry border squabble to the front pages.
>
>
> Southwest Tollus Company
>
> [OOC: my apologies for my delay in response to this diplomatic
grandstand,
> but it just so coincidentally happened that Eric's email to the world was
> the same day that I left for the Bahamas and have been unavailable till
> yesterday. -walt]
>
If an attempt to contact all parties of the continent of Tollus was
grandstanding, I apologise. STC seems to have a very egocentric vision of
themselves in relation to my original post. For the last time :-) I would
suggest a reread (hopefully by Walt himself). The post said, in it's most
basic form, "TIBs wishes to contact and negotiate borders and treaties with
any and all players on Tollus". It went on to say that anyone interested in
such negotiaions should contact me direct. In other words, in private. The
post in no way asked for, started, continued, or supported public
negotiations. Whether or not Walt's post is an intentional attempt to
mis-respresent my post, or if it was an honest mistake by Walt, can only be
answered by him.
The original post is available for anyboy who would like to see it.
Eric Nelson
Minister of Foreign Affairs
TIBs Alliance