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James Frediani (ferpo@netdex.com)
Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:02:53 -0700

>These people are not using the rules, they are abusing bugs they found
>because of other experiences they had. There is also something like "the
>spirit of a/the game".
>
>James, I know you are trying to advocate anything in the game that is
>against a group of players like ours because we have eliminated your
>alliance, but you must make the difference between game and real life.
>Saying this is not a bug or a feature either shows lack of respect or lack
>of common sense.

I guess this is where if I was from the Oleg [not Greg]school of Dipplomacy
I'd tell you if you don't like it, run home and cry to your mommy. Instead
I will attempt to correct your errant assertations.

First off, you have not eliminated my alliance. I am still here. And
considering I was down to one _unconcealed_ noble at one point, I think
that was very sloppy of you.

Secondly, what does your doing anything to either my faction or my alliance
in this game have to do with real life? The ICLF will die to the noble and
use every means available to make Olympia as unpleasant as possible for the
Lords of the Crown and all their associated entities. If Dominick
Vansevenant
or any other of the real-life PLAYERs who make up the LOTC were to ever
make it into the Napa Valley, I'd try to make the time for a visit and
even give them a walking tour of the family vineyard. There are people
in this game whom I was allied with in other PBeM games that I have no idea
where they are, what alliance they belong to, or heck, they may even be
Lords! Real life people can be friends [or friendly acquaintances] and
still be enemies in games.

To take this a step further, you may not be aware, but one of your allies
actually offered me membership in your alliance if I'd bury the hatchett.
As my "late" alliance is dirrectly responsible for the participation in
this war of the Rimmon Musketeers, I respectfully declined the invitation,
feeling it to be a betrayal of trust to have done so. However, I told that
player that if I ever found myself in another game with him, I would
welcome the opportunity to be allied with him.

Saying that this may not be a bug or a feature has nothing to do with
lacking common sense. On the contrary, it shows that I have enough sense
to know that this may very well have been a SPECIFIC intent of the
programer. That's Rich's pervue, not mine.

>
>I did not make the assumption you blasted the garrisons, I can only presume
>but not prove you had to do with it. But this has nothing to do with this.
>Your knowledge alone that the garrisons contained beasts proves this to me.

Horse hockey. Anyone with concealed nobles passing through your lands sees
garrisons containing large numbers of beasts. As I am sure you are aware,
I have at least one of these. And that's assuming I don't get informetion
from other players...ones who have priests who do visions, mages who scry
locations, or aborted invasion attempts. The Lords do this to other people,
do you believe you are the only ones to gather information in that
fashion?

>
>I must also say that the bug about the beasts and the undead not dying in
>garrisons was reported by others and myself and was indeed reported by Bron
>on the g2list. THIS BUG WAS NOT.

See above.

>
>The designer thought of garrisons otherwise, than the designer should have
>had the common sense to not make a garrison a simple 60/60 unit with FTTD
>and use beasts in battle.

Never heard that a garrison was a 60/60 unit. This would imply that
no matter what you had in a garrison, it defended the same. So you are
saying that a garrison containing 10 peasants will cause as many losses
to the attacker as one containing 10 elite guard, 50 giant lizards and
207 undead? Interesting. I have seen nothing to suggest this, and I
once did whack a few garrisons...and had a few more whacked back. I
presume then, that you have seen something more definitive than I?

>
>> Are you Oleg's illegitimate oftspring we keep hearing rumors about?
>> You know, the real reason for the PLATO/LOTC war...Oleg's dalliance
>> with Lady E.? ;^)
>
>Ok, you are here comparing a real life player with a game object. Can you
>please make the difference ? Especially when I (Dominick Vansevenant) am
>compared with offspring of a now dead corps.

Whoops...that's true, you did sign it Dominick. For _that_ I apologize.
I imagine Oleg is quite ripe about now and one may wish to distance oneself
from his...remains...

ICLF

>
>D.
>
>Disclaimer: no bugs were used in writing this mail.
>

;^)

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