RE: The Camaris Strait.

jim.gunn@autodesk.com
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:42:31 -0800

If this solution still isn't practical, how about having your noble or ship
unit send a message to the warring faction(s) announcing neutrality. To my
knowledge this does not reveal the identity of the player or faction that
owns the unit sending the message.

If you can't remember how, look up the MESSAGE command in the Oly G2
Rules...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: jim.gunn@autodesk.com [mailto:jim.gunn@autodesk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 2:23 PM
To: Seehawk42@aol.com
Cc: g2-list@pbm.com
Subject: RE: The Camaris Strait.

Isn't it possible to set one's units neutral to an entire faction? Since
faction ID's are public information via the active players list, this
dispels the problem of giving away sensitive noble ID's...

-----Original Message-----
From: Seehawk42@aol.com [mailto:Seehawk42@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 1:50 PM
To: g2-list@pbm.com
Subject: Re: The Camaris Strait.

In a message dated 3/3/99 4:15:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jim.gunn@autodesk.com writes:

> If you know you're traveling through a publicly acknowledged warzone, and
> are too lazy to send a simple email that will ensure your nobles safety,
> then you are an ignorant fool and deserve to lose your units. Either that
or
> you are looking for an excuse to pick a fight (Hugh?) without officially
> committing to take part in the war.
>

Another option, of course, is that is none of Borg's, or anybody else's,
damn
business what the id#s are for my ships or the nobles on them. Why should
I,
or anybody else, be required to offer up sem-private information to an
unknown
and obviously agressive group to avoid being attacked?

To clarify my point, Borg is more than welcome to issue Hostile All in order
to make their campaign easier to execute, but the idea that announcing this
somehow absolves them from collateral damage caused to neutrals and newbies
is
silly. Maybe somebody needs to remind Borg that it was Plato's supposed
mistakes in this area that caused them to attack Sir Codric and other
newbies
during the New Empire war. That action caused these factions to ally and,
in
part, form the Lords of the Crown.

in answer to another poster's remarks asking why this "sea war" is any
different than a "land war" I offer these two points:
First, land can be controlled via garrisons, oceans can not. The mechanism
of
the game allows clear control of a land province to be demonstrated so that
all who pass by know who the ruler is.
Secondly, it isn't different really. If LotC announced that in order to
make
their war with Rimmon easier all their nobles were going to issue Hostile
All
orders the list would be flooded with complaints of "newbie bashing" and we
would once again have to suffer through certain players claiming that the
root
of this whole conflict is to protect newbies and neutrals.
The fact is that any nation that decides to issue Hostile All orders does so
at the risk of angering neutral players in the area. The last time this was
done on any scale it played a major part in galvanizing LotC together.
Hugh's, and other's, complaints are merely the first warning to Borg that
attacks on their ships won't be tolerated. In the past, some nations have
ignored these warnings. I hazard to guess that some of those nations now
wish
they had handled it differently.

Eric the Seehawk

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