Dragonlord
PS: I was kinda enjoying the mails between Oleg and Capricorn,
sounds like a pretty funny story to me.
But what de I know
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>From: "James Frediani" <ferpo@netdex.com>
>To: "Majestic" <majestic@mail.dma.be>, <g2-list@pbm.com>
>Subject: Re: Date
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>Yves:
>
>
>Tracking IPs is not hacking. And it has everything to do with
>PBeMail, where people deal solely by email and use, say, Hotmail
>or other accounts. What you said is like saying I should not
>look at the postmark on the envelope of a PBM ["snail mail"]
>to see if the letter originated from the same city/nation as
>the letter writer says he's at on the return address.
>
>
>You track IPs by looking at the "Properties" or details on the return
>address.
>
>
>I was as you in an earlier PBeM game. Learned the hard way that you
>cannot be so trusting. A player presented himself as a computer
programer
>out of India. Claimed to be independant. Joined our alliance. He was
>using
>a Hotmail account.
>
>
>Subsequent to his back-stab, which totally destroyed 90 turns of work
for
>3 other players, I backtracked his IPs and discovered the originating
IP
>[from where Hotmail picked it up] was the same one that one of our
enemies
>[in France]used. 90 turns each, destroyed in 1 turn.
>
>
>It wasn't the backstab that was the most frustrating part. It was the
>nagging suspicion that both the enemy and the mole were the same
player.
>IPs don't prove that, one way or the other. Any more than, say, a
group
>of players all working for the same company. [I'm told by friends of
>mine in the computer industry that lots of computer company employees
>form game clubs of one sort or another...I suspect that would be true
of
>a lot of office enviroments...in agriculture, its usually softball].
>In PBeM, unlike most PBM games where all the players are usually on the
>same continant, you cannot call up all the players in your alliance.
>Not when your alliance stretches from, say, Australia to Sweden.
>
>
>So unless you like joining games where you only ally yourself to people
>you know from other games, or want to avoid alliances with players
with,
>say,
>hotmail accounts, you need to find a way to take a surface look and see
>that people are at least _where_ they say they are. As I play these
games
>to meet new people outside of my line of work [and surprisingly enough,
I
>end up meeting some one _in_ my line of work in an enemy alliance], I
>decline
>your invitation to be stupid. If someone wants to backstab me, I
cannot
>stop
>them, but I can make them work a little harder at it.
>
>
>"Hackers" who try to do things outside the game to make up for things
they
>cannot do inside the game would be doing something like trying to get
into
>Rich's computer to see if they can get copies of other players' orders.
>Being a farmer, I wouldn't know if that was possible. I can believe it
>possible, but that's my _ignorance_ speaking. People who do that are
not
>only cheaters, they are criminals.
>
>
>People who play multiple factions, they are cheaters, but not
criminals.
>
>
>People who claim to be allies but are really enemies are neither
cheaters
>nor criminals. They are backstabbers [in their role in the game]. It
is
>fun for them, and their _true_ allies. It is unfun for the people they
>"stab".
>
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Majestic <majestic@mail.dma.be>
>To: g2-list@pbm.com <g2-list@pbm.com>
>Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 5:48 AM
>Subject: Re: Date
>
>
>>Could you please stop these endless, stupid and irrelevant
discussions.
>>This has nothing, really nothing to do with Olympia. If you wanna
discuss
>>IP-addresses etc. get subscribed on a newsgroup for hackers and be
done
>>with it.
>>BTW tracking people by their IP-address is really the lowest thing to
do
>and
>>is a lousy way to get a grip on things you cannot do in the game. I'll
>start
>>using anonymous servers now and but you guys are spoiling the game.
>>
>>Thx
>>Yves.
>>
>
>
>
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