>On Tue, 5 May 1998, James Frediani wrote:
>> My understanding is that if the IC or the LotC conducts military opera-
>> tions in the other's territory [raids, quests, attacks, claim jumping]
>> then the Accord is violated and the Eagle Alliance will attack whichever
>> side broke the Accord first.
>>
>> Now, does this prevent the IC and PLATO from fighting the Lords of the
>> Crown in HARN Confederacy Territory? Perhaps you would care to con-
>> sider those as separate issues, one for IC, one for PLATO, as it appears
>> the _spirit_ of the Accord was to keep _outside_ alliances from fighting
on
>> Provinnia.
>
>Nowhere in the Accord were sanctions for violations of said Accord
>explicitly mentioned. For those not following me, a treaty point with a
>sanction would be: "Side A agrees to give side B province 1. If side A is
>present in province 1 on or after turn 60, then side B has cause for
>war".One point stated that the 'Camaris non-aggression pact shall be
>extended to Pronvinia'. I would assume that this means Camaris factions
>agreed not engage in hostile actions against each on Camaris and now they
>are committed to not engaging in hostile actions against each other on
>Provinia. However, I do not know if the Camaris non-aggression treaty
>contained sactions for violations of the same.
>
>I agree that with you that "the _spirit_ of the Accord was to keep
>_outside_ alliances from fighting on Provinnia". However I think you read
>this as meaning Camarian alliances can' fight anyone on Provinian soil,
>while I read it as Camarian alliances can't fight _each other_ on
>Provinian soil. That is, you want total Carmarian non-interference in
>Provinian wars, while I merely require that Camarian alliances do not
>fight proxy wars on Provinia. You read the clause broadly, I read it
>narrowly. The broad vs narrow interpretation question often rocks the US
>Supreme Court, why should we be immune? We have no definitively way to
>decide, based on the Accord, whether or not PLATO/IC would be breaking the
>spirit of the Accord by aiding the fight in the Harn Confederacy. Unless
>one subscribes to the "they who have the loudest voices get their way"
>school of diplomacy.
CLARIFICATION
Unlike Jackal, Cendenge and Oleg/PLATO, I thought that the Inner
Circle was a Provinia alliance.
To wit, the much ballyhoo'd Accord boils down to:
1. Banquo's Ghost exiled from Provinia for the sins of another
2. PLATO to exit its forces from there by turn 55
3. Banquo's territories split between the Lord's of the Crown and
the Inner Circle, with financial compensation to BG
4. The Camaris alliances extend their peace treaty on Camaris
to include Provinia,thus eliminating it as a battlefield for what
essentially would have been a foreign war.
None of the other alliances on Provinia are bound by the Accords. We
have been told that the Accord does not prevent the LotC from fighing
in territories _outside the old New Empire territories_. It should follow
that the other signitaries could also use that exemption. However, it
would also appear that all foreign alliances are excluded from that
activity.
And I remind everyone that the Rimmon Musketeers border [according
to the map] Harn, LotC and IC lands. And _they_ have no part of the
Accord either, do they? They are certainly native to Provinia.
Jim Frediani
>
>Perhaps Harn and LotC were wise to keep their grievances from being
>'resolved' in the Accord, considering its vague and inflamatory nature. I
>have no doubt that the Seehawk and the other worthies involved in the
>drafting of the Accord had the best intentions, but the Yellowleaf war and
>the resulting Accord certainly lends credence to the old legal aphorism
>"interesting cases make bad laws".
>
>I would suggest the GCoA write up a list of acceptable and unacceptable
>reasons for war. That way we can start arguing about the interesting grey
>areas instead of engaging in rhetoric that is likely to turn a bush war
>into something very bad for everyone's business.
>
>In the end I prefer to bow to the spirit of the Seehawk or the spirit of
>Oleg or the spirit of any number of respected Olympians over the "spirit
>of the Accord", a mere document.
>
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